Comments on: the Rio and a gripe http://gusgreeper.com/archives/563 Vancouver, B.C. blogger, married with grey cat. Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:33:16 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: Toronto Adult Club http://gusgreeper.com/archives/563#comment-4910 Toronto Adult Club Sun, 02 Dec 2007 08:18:43 +0000 http://gusgreeper.com/archives/563#comment-4910 BOOKMARK THIS BLOG NOW!!! This is sooo to the point and well written (the Rio and a gripe). I wish I had found this blog a long time ago. Originally I was searching Google for information on Toronto Adult Club when I stumbled across you Sunday. BOOKMARK THIS BLOG NOW!!! This is sooo to the point and well written (the Rio and a gripe). I wish I had found this blog a long time ago. Originally I was searching Google for information on Toronto Adult Club when I stumbled across you Sunday.

]]> By: Liam Morland http://gusgreeper.com/archives/563#comment-3989 Liam Morland Fri, 17 Aug 2007 02:10:33 +0000 http://gusgreeper.com/archives/563#comment-3989 Gusgreeper, I don't think we disagree. I believe in equal rights for all, regardless of sexual orientation. I have been active with Scouts Canada for 23 years and an adult volunteer for 15 years. In this time, I have not seen Scouts Canada discriminate against homosexuals. I have occationally heard other members of Scouting make homophobic comments, but no more or less so than in the general population. Scouting is part of society and will reflect societal values. I'm sure an openly homosexual person would have had difficulty joining in 1955. But that would have been the unfortunate reality of the time, not anything Scouting-related. Corinna's Dad: Certainly Scouts Canada's membership is falling rapidly, but the co-ed policy changes are not related to this. Membership has been falling since 1965. That said, many Scout parents have told me that they want a boys-only program. Almost none have said the opposite. The Scouts, in my experience, don't care one way or the other. Gusgreeper, I don’t think we disagree. I believe in equal rights for all, regardless of sexual orientation. I have been active with Scouts Canada for 23 years and an adult volunteer for 15 years. In this time, I have not seen Scouts Canada discriminate against homosexuals. I have occationally heard other members of Scouting make homophobic comments, but no more or less so than in the general population.

Scouting is part of society and will reflect societal values. I’m sure an openly homosexual person would have had difficulty joining in 1955. But that would have been the unfortunate reality of the time, not anything Scouting-related.

Corinna’s Dad: Certainly Scouts Canada’s membership is falling rapidly, but the co-ed policy changes are not related to this. Membership has been falling since 1965. That said, many Scout parents have told me that they want a boys-only program. Almost none have said the opposite. The Scouts, in my experience, don’t care one way or the other.

]]> By: Christopher Dougherty - Council Field Executive, Chinook Council http://gusgreeper.com/archives/563#comment-3960 Christopher Dougherty - Council Field Executive, Chinook Council Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:47:46 +0000 http://gusgreeper.com/archives/563#comment-3960 While it's unfortunate that you still view a statement of what the situation really is as a "denial", I am glad that you are willing to listen to people offering constructive criticism of what you have written (a rarity on the 'net). As for your surprise that people have been polite, I hope you remember from your time with us that Scouts are... Helpful and trustworthy, Kind and cheerful, Considerate and clean... While it’s unfortunate that you still view a statement of what the situation really is as a “denial”, I am glad that you are willing to listen to people offering constructive criticism of what you have written (a rarity on the ‘net).

As for your surprise that people have been polite, I hope you remember from your time with us that Scouts are…
Helpful and trustworthy,
Kind and cheerful,
Considerate and clean…

]]> By: gusgreeper http://gusgreeper.com/archives/563#comment-3958 gusgreeper Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:28:55 +0000 http://gusgreeper.com/archives/563#comment-3958 <p>Christopher and Liam (if he comes back) - basically i just want to thank you both for not coming on my website and attacking me because you don't agree with what i have written and view it as incorrect, that is actually really great and rare most people, attack attack attack... which is why i had my guard up right away against Liam, you blog long enough it comes with the territory.<br /> with that said, i think the advancements with the rovers are superb and a step in the right direction, but even still, i am not surprised at this denial, nor does it bother me that you both consider me wrong, I completely respect you standing up for your organization.</p> Christopher and Liam (if he comes back) - basically i just want to thank you both for not coming on my website and attacking me because you don’t agree with what i have written and view it as incorrect, that is actually really great and rare most people, attack attack attack… which is why i had my guard up right away against Liam, you blog long enough it comes with the territory.
with that said, i think the advancements with the rovers are superb and a step in the right direction, but even still, i am not surprised at this denial, nor does it bother me that you both consider me wrong, I completely respect you standing up for your organization.

]]> By: Jack Smynde http://gusgreeper.com/archives/563#comment-3943 Jack Smynde Tue, 14 Aug 2007 02:17:52 +0000 http://gusgreeper.com/archives/563#comment-3943 Sounds like it really rubbed you the wrong way. I'm sorry it was in such poor taste. Sounds like it really rubbed you the wrong way. I’m sorry it was in such poor taste.

]]> By: Christopher Dougherty - Council Field Executive, Chinook Council http://gusgreeper.com/archives/563#comment-3940 Christopher Dougherty - Council Field Executive, Chinook Council Mon, 13 Aug 2007 06:08:16 +0000 http://gusgreeper.com/archives/563#comment-3940 Good evening, as one of the individuals considered to be a "professional Scouter" that Corinna's Dad mentions, I feel compelled to weigh in and clarify the position and policies of Scouts Canada. On Scouting and homosexuality - I believe that you (both Gus and Corinna's Dad) have Scouts Canada confused with the Boy Scouts of America. This is a common misconception about Scouts Canada in Canada due to the extensive American media coverage around the strong position of the BSA and ongoing civil-rights legal challenges. Scouts Canada does not currently deny membership or refuse to renew membership for any person who is or may be homosexual. In fact, during the 2000 - 2001 Scouting season an entirely homosexual Rover crew operated in Toronto ( see http://www.commondreams.org/headlines/070300-02.htm ) . Sadly, that Rover Crew has since become inactive due to a lack of continuing interest within the community that started the group. If a member chooses to identify him/herself as homosexual, it is his/her choice and has no bearing on their membership. We simply ask that they follow the same rules that all of our members must follow, with a particular emphasis in this case on: any personal and/or sexual relationships must be left at home, and that the name, uniform, and insignia of Scouts Canada not be used for lobbying or political purposes. If you require further clarification, please don't hesitate to contact your nearest Scouts Canada Service Centre. Good evening, as one of the individuals considered to be a “professional Scouter” that Corinna’s Dad mentions, I feel compelled to weigh in and clarify the position and policies of Scouts Canada.

On Scouting and homosexuality - I believe that you (both Gus and Corinna’s Dad) have Scouts Canada confused with the Boy Scouts of America.

This is a common misconception about Scouts Canada in Canada due to the extensive American media coverage around the strong position of the BSA and ongoing civil-rights legal challenges.

Scouts Canada does not currently deny membership or refuse to renew membership for any person who is or may be homosexual.

In fact, during the 2000 - 2001 Scouting season an entirely homosexual Rover crew operated in Toronto ( see http://www.commondreams.org/headlines/070300-02.htm ) .

Sadly, that Rover Crew has since become inactive due to a lack of continuing interest within the community that started the group.

If a member chooses to identify him/herself as homosexual, it is his/her choice and has no bearing on their membership. We simply ask that they follow the same rules that all of our members must follow, with a particular emphasis in this case on: any personal and/or sexual relationships must be left at home, and that the name, uniform, and insignia of Scouts Canada not be used for lobbying or political purposes.

If you require further clarification, please don’t hesitate to contact your nearest Scouts Canada Service Centre.

]]> By: C.J 'Hates a stick in the mud' Hixon http://gusgreeper.com/archives/563#comment-3938 C.J 'Hates a stick in the mud' Hixon Mon, 13 Aug 2007 01:07:18 +0000 http://gusgreeper.com/archives/563#comment-3938 or even *spoil it....... *sighs* bed time.... or even *spoil it…….

*sighs* bed time….

]]> By: C.J 'Hates a stick in the mud' Hixon http://gusgreeper.com/archives/563#comment-3937 C.J 'Hates a stick in the mud' Hixon Mon, 13 Aug 2007 01:06:51 +0000 http://gusgreeper.com/archives/563#comment-3937 "Kunstemaecker Says: August 12th, 2007 at 1:19 am Why they didn’t stop after Rush Hour 1, is beyond me." Shhhhhh..... don't spoilt it for everybody else!!! “Kunstemaecker Says:

August 12th, 2007 at 1:19 am
Why they didn’t stop after Rush Hour 1, is beyond me.”

Shhhhhh….. don’t spoilt it for everybody else!!!

]]> By: Corinna's Dad http://gusgreeper.com/archives/563#comment-3935 Corinna's Dad Sun, 12 Aug 2007 16:58:27 +0000 http://gusgreeper.com/archives/563#comment-3935 Liam: While I can agree that there may not be a written policy in BP&P barring homosexuals, it is clear that in practice that has always been the case. This was a practice stated clearly by every professional scouter I have encountered in 26 years of scouting. The irrational fear that the terms homosexual and pediphile were synonomus has been preached by upper levels of scouting for decades. While it is clear that Scouts Canada will deny descriminating against homosexuals the reality of the practice is clear. As for girls in Scouting, one just has to look at the the enrolment numbers since 1992 to see what a disaster that has been. Liam: While I can agree that there may not be a written policy in BP&P barring homosexuals, it is clear that in practice that has always been the case. This was a practice stated clearly by every professional scouter I have encountered in 26 years of scouting. The irrational fear that the terms homosexual and pediphile were synonomus has been preached by upper levels of scouting for decades. While it is clear that Scouts Canada will deny descriminating against homosexuals the reality of the practice is clear.
As for girls in Scouting, one just has to look at the the enrolment numbers since 1992 to see what a disaster that has been.

]]> By: gusgreeper http://gusgreeper.com/archives/563#comment-3934 gusgreeper Sun, 12 Aug 2007 16:45:25 +0000 http://gusgreeper.com/archives/563#comment-3934 <p>don't want to be rude here but: DENIAL not sure what planet you are on but the boy scouts have ALWAYS been anti homosexual. I never said Scouts Canada had a 'policy' you can have a politically incorrect and down right wrong opinion without it being 'policy'. </p> <p>not sure why you felt it necessary to write out a whole paragraph on what i already wrote, you are right that i left out the rovers but it was intentional, OF COURSE they are separate orgs. but they are related (both started in the Baden-Powell family) and very similar. i am not sure if you simply did not read what i wrote correctly, i am assuming for you it wasn't clear enough, or if you just want to get in a fight with me over who knows more about Scouting. If so bring it on.</p> don’t want to be rude here but: DENIAL not sure what planet you are on but the boy scouts have ALWAYS been anti homosexual. I never said Scouts Canada had a ‘policy’ you can have a politically incorrect and down right wrong opinion without it being ‘policy’.

not sure why you felt it necessary to write out a whole paragraph on what i already wrote, you are right that i left out the rovers but it was intentional, OF COURSE they are separate orgs. but they are related (both started in the Baden-Powell family) and very similar. i am not sure if you simply did not read what i wrote correctly, i am assuming for you it wasn’t clear enough, or if you just want to get in a fight with me over who knows more about Scouting. If so bring it on.

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